Interview with Shabnam Hashmi on aspects of Muslim Leadership in Contemporary India

Fatwa, posted 5.25.2010, from India, in:

*Q: Indian Muslims often complain that they lack effective and
   sincere leaders. Why is this so?*

   A: When India gained independence, the Indian Muslims made a conscious choice to stay on in what they hoped would be a secular, democratic country where all communities and all individuals would enjoy equal rights. In such a polity there would, ideally speaking, have been no reason for a separate leadership for different religious communities. After all, I do not see why a truly secular leader cannot be a leader of all communities—Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Dalits, Christians and so on—at the same time. In fact, this is what I deeply believe in personally.



   However, the fact of the matter is that, especially after the
   Gujarat genocide directed against Muslims in 2002, I have begun to
   feel that Muslims do need a leadership of their own to have their
   voices, interests and concerns properly and effectively identified
   and highlighted. In theory, or ideologically-speaking, I may not
   approve of that, but now, looking at how the state, the media and
   large sections of civil society have been infected with mounting
   prejudices against Muslims, I think Muslims ought to have a platform
   to articulate their voices and issues. Communalism and anti-Muslim
   hatred have become so deep-rooted that there is a desperate need for
   socially-rooted but progressive-minded Muslims to speak out on
   Muslim affairs and to provide proper leadership and direction.



   Sadly, however, the only Muslim voices that the media and political
   parties want to hear are the most reactionary and conservative ones.
   Yet, the fact remains that these voices do not represent educated or
   liberal-minded Muslims or even the vast majority of ordinary
   Muslims, although they might claim to speak for all Muslims. It is
   only these self-styled custodians of Islam or saviours of the
   Muslims who are heard and then projected as spokesmen (they are all
   men) of the community.

  
   *Q: The situation in parts of south India might be quite different
   from what you have described. There, middle-class Muslims are
   setting up modern educational institutions and seeking to provide
   alternate leadership to the community. Do you think it is right to
   generalize in the manner you seem to?



   A: I am not very familiar with the scenario in the south. In any
   case, I am not sure if simply setting up modern educational
   institutions is synonymous with, or leads to, educating people in a
   secular ethos. And, then, the south Indian context is quite
   different, because there aggressively anti-Muslim Hindutva forces
   were, till recently, quite marginal. This enabled a section of south
   Indian Muslims to focus on internal reform and institution-building
   and working together with people of other communities, not forced to
   feel insecure and pushed to the wall and therefore not overly
   concerned with identity-related issues, as is the case in much of
   north India.



   *Q: Why is it that relatively few modern-educated Muslims seem to be
   involved in community affairs, including at the level of leadership
   of various Muslim organizations?*

   A: The Muslim middle-class is still very small, in both absolute as
   well as relative terms. Then, it is a fact that, by and large,
   middle-class Muslims, like the middle-class in other communities,
   are more interested in their own economic or career-related issues.
   I don’t see that as something strange, though. After all, there are
   millions of Hindus or Muslims for whom their Indian identity or the
   class or regional or sectarian identity may be of equal importance
   as their communal identity. There is little in common between, say,
   a rich Hindi Bania trader in Uttar Pradesh and a Hindu Dalit
   labourer in Tamil Nadu, or, for that matter, between a Muslim Syed
   landlord in Bihar and an impoverished Muslim Ansari weaver in
   Maharashtra. The mere fact that they share a religious or communal
   identity does not necessarily mean that they should be concerned
   about each other’s welfare.



   I feel that the enormous stress on communal identity that we are
   faced with today has actually been forced on many of us quite
   against our will. This process has gathered considerable momentum in
   the last two decades. Earlier, I was just a human rights activist
   who happened to have a Muslim name, but now whenever there is a
   discussion of a Muslim-related issue in the media I am identified as
   a Muslim and asked to speak about it. This was not the case before.
   This assertion of homogenized identities is coming from conservative
   quarters—from Hindutva- and maulvi-led groups, and is not something
   that ordinary folk consciously seek, for, left to themselves, they
   are quite comfortable with their multiple identities without having
   to prioritise one over the others. This tendency has been
   strengthened with the state rapidly abdicating its responsibilities
   in areas such as education and health, creating a vacuum that has
   been filled by a rapid rise of madrasas in Muslim localities or
   RSS-run schools in Adivasi areas, for instance, which actively seek
   to develop and reinforce these homogenized religious-based identities.

   * *

   *Q: Although in their demands on the state Muslim organizations are
   increasingly referring to economic and educational issues, it
   appears that most of their demands are related to identity
   concerns—Urdu, Muslim Personal Law, the Aligarh Muslim University,
   the Babri Masjid and so on. What do you feel about this?*

   A: You are right, but this not true just for these Muslim groups,
   however. The agenda of Hindutva groups is almost the same. They are
   completely silent on the economic and other such issues and concerns
   of the Hindu poor. One reason why these organizations and outfits
   focus only, or mainly, on religious or identity-related issues,
   projected in a very narrow, communal sense, is because this is what
   sells, and can be used to attract people and then control them.



   *Q: Muslims and Islam enjoy a poor image in the media, and, through
   it, among non-Muslims generally. How do you think this situation can
   be remedied?*

   A: It is true that large sections of the media are engaged in a
   concerted campaign to demonise Muslims and Islam. However, I find
   very few Muslims and Muslim organizations doing anything meaningful
   and effective to counter this trend. Indeed, some statements and
   fatwas of Muslim leaders and maulvis only tend to reinforce negative
   stereotypes about Muslims and their religion. These statements and
   fatwas only further embolden Hindutva forces—I won’t be surprised if
   some of them are actually responsible for asking maulvis for some
   absurd fatwas so as to make Muslims a laughing-stock. The statements
   that some clerics come up with, from time to time, serve no other
   purpose than to help Hindutva forces further demonise Muslims. The
   point is that obscurantist forces on both sides feed on each other
   and cannot exist without each other.



   There is another issue related to both the existing Muslim
   leadership and negative portrayals of Muslims in the media that
   needs to be mentioned. This is the fact that, generally speaking,
   Muslims do not play much of a role in wider democratic struggles in
   India. Nor do Muslim organizations, several of which are very
   conservative, even reactionary, concern themselves with wider
   issues, issues that are not Muslim-specific. In fact, even in the
   struggle for minority rights, activists of Hindu background are much
   more prominent than Muslims. One reason for this lamentable state of
   affairs is simply that Muslims are socially and educationally much
   backward compared to the Hindus, particularly dominant caste Hindus.
   It is also because of negative attitudes to other communities as
   well as lack of sufficient exposure to people of other faiths. I
   find this obsession of Muslim organizations and the Muslim media
   simply with Muslim-specific issues, while not being concerned about
   general issues, very distressing. It certainly is a reflection of a
   sort of communalism. It is also one of the factors for negative
   prejudices about Muslims projected through the media, although, of
   course, it is not the only factor for this.



   Changing the priorities of existing Muslim organizations in this
   regard is not easy. They are not ready to accept any sort of
   criticism, not matter how sincerely meant, and many would quickly
   brand it as an ill-intentioned ‘conspiracy’. I speak from personal
   experience here. But, that said, I must also point out that this
   attitude is, at least partly, an outcome of the tremendous
   insecurity that Muslims face in the context of the ongoing
   demonization of the community and of Islam and the continued
   discrimination  that they face, so that many of them see the only
   refuge lying in a conservative form of religion and identity
   consciousness. They simply have no other platform to articulate
   their views.



   As for what Muslims could do to address the demonization of the
   community, there is so much one could say and suggest. For one
   thing, their self-appointed leaders must cease to issue
   meaningless statements and absurd fatwas, which are picked up with
   such alacrity by the press, playing on them to reinforce negative
   images about Islam and Muslims. Muslims—and this holds true not just
   for them but for all communities—also need an enlightened religious
   leadership that can provide meaningful and relevant understandings
   of religion that can help the cause of justice—for women, for the poor.

   *Shabnam Hashmi can be contacted on shabnamhashmi@gmail.com*

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